There has been much buzz in the lyme forums in the past about the article on samento and banderol….I know your views on samento, do you feel the same way about banderol?
One of the difficulties with treating lyme is that everyone is looking for a quick answer to the disease. For most people that is antibiotics. If antibiotics don’t work people must go deeper and try a great many things to get well. And there are a number of good protocols out there, mine among them. However none of the protocols work for everyone. All protocols need to be adjusted for the individuals taking them. By micro adjusting them, most people, nearly all, can be helped. However there is still the desire for a one step cureall and the lyme community gets really excited EVERY time a new thing comes along. And, for some people, the new thing does work. I have answered a query about banderol for a previous questioner, here is that answer (slightly rewritten):
The study [that people are relying on] is ONLY an in vitro study. I discuss the nature of in vitro work on lyme spirochetes in my book; they are virtually useless. Literally thousands of compounds can kill the spirochetes in vitro. The problem is that test tube spirochetes are NOT the same as the ones expressed into the body through a tick bite. There are a number of research papers that go into this in depth. This early misunderstanding is part of what led to the trouble in treating lyme. I do think cat’s claw is highly useful in treating lyme. As to banderol, the extract made from the bark of the otaba tree, there is virtually NOTHING on that plant in the literature. It most likely does have antibacterial action, most South American species of plants do, but there is just too little on it to make any definitive statements about it. As to Richard Horowitz’s protocol: I have spoken with him and looked over his treatment plans and he uses a very wide variety of things to treat lyme, NOT just these two herbs. Banderol probably does have some efficacy in practice but I can’t in any way say that it is a specific for lyme. I am very uncomfortable with the lack of data on the plant, even in ethnobotanical sources.
Thanks for having this letter, I had just looked up Lyme once again as I think I have some new bites,to add to the already having Lyme in my system..and found the articles about Banderol and Samento and was all excited,but I think I will wait for a bit more info on Banderol since it is always used in combination with other things and its specific results have not been tested alone, nor invivo as you mention.
Stephen,
I am mostly plagued with neurological symptoms, 3 bands positive from IGenex. I have not had any co-infection tests, so I only know about the lyme. I am starting the core protocol now, so my question is this: Since I am dealing with all neuro symptoms (Brain fog, lethargy, severe anxiety, derealization/depersonalization, horrible visual processing, severe floaters), is there a pecking order of items that I should add to this core protocol? I really need a dumbed down pecking order of what to try and how long to try them for.
I had the achy joints in wrists and ankles, brain fog, itchiness at both the tick bite sites. The red bulls eye, on one of the 2 bite sites. I had short term relief with antibiotics. I had a bit longer relief with a Lyme treatment product from the health store. I used 3 bottles, but the symptoms kept coming back, within a week of finishing treatment.
I was recommended to get off sugar, (easier said than done.) But with the help of HCG drops, I stayed off sugar for about 3 months, and took Samento drops during this time. Also much prayer by myself and others. This was about 2 years ago, and I remain symptom free. One side effect, my arthritic joints shrank, and I lost my wedding band, as my knuckle had shrunk 2 ring sizes.
Hi Dan,
That’s such great news! I was recently diagnosed with Bartonella and am to see a LLND in a couple of weeks. I was bitten by a tick in April of 2017. I’ve been seeing a nutritionist to help build up my immune system. I was just curious to know which protocol you used, in addition to prayer (as I’ve been praying, as well as church family and friends) that helped you to heal. Thanks also to Stephen for developing this website for us to share.
where do we purchase your products?
Hi Anne,
We don’t sell products. There is a list of herbal companies on our site, please check the navigation menu.
Your symptoms were/are the same as my sons…. he was diagnosed at 11…. it’s been almost two years, lots of antibiotics and herbals…. we see a 95% reduction of symptoms with a mixture of ABX…we tried stopping and within a couple of weeks symptoms return (he’s been on them for almost two years)….have you had any luck? Was hoping to just go on herbals and stop ABX but have not been able to…
I am not a practitioner of any type. But I have had lyme for a very lone time and am clear right now. The following is what I did. What you do is up to you at your own risk (I am not your mother or your practitioner). There are many nuts that will treat you for money. Some with a license and many without one. There are some that almost get it right. I have tried hundreds of therapies of both inside and outside the system. You will not get well taking an antibiotic of ANY type where ever you are in the infection process (what I have found). Spirochete bacteria is an extremely slow growing bacteria. Antibiotics are for fast growing bacteria. If you think that there is a quick fix like taking something for a few weeks. Stop right here and go read something else. I can’t be bothered by you. Also I am not selling anything and I do NOT want to be contacted. Everything that I know is here (by my own experience). I have nothing to add.
First of all, the test. Any practitioner that wants to send off your sample is NOT the correct person to address your problem. Anyone with a dark field microscope can diagnose if it is Lyme disease (right in front of you so you see too). The red blood cells MUST be crushed to see the spirochetes. If they do not crush the red blood cells (easy to do), you may be told that you do not have lyme by someone that does not know what they are doing. If you do see spirochetes like I did (they live in every part of your body including the red blood cells),
This is what was prescribed to me and it worked. It took 2 and a half years to get clean.
Start with 30 drops of samento twice a day (that kills spirochetes). At the same time, take 15 drops of Teasel. I used the larger 2 fl oz bottles. When the samento is gone (without a time laps) start taking Banderol (larger bottle too. Again when that is done, start on cumanda (2 fl oz). Every other bottle (2 fl oz) also take Teasel. Key point, if you take the same thing all the time, the spirochetes will adjust and you will not make any progress so you will need to alternate in this way.
While doing this, use NO sugar of any type (ya, that includes fruit too) Use complex carbohydrates and NO starches. All of the heavy carbs and sugar feeds spirochetes. Yes, you are going to have to suck it up and do the right thing. You do not have to starve. Eat as much complex carbs (green beans, broccoli, cauliflower, etc. as you want. Also use a table spoon (or two) of olive oil mixed with a little vinegar (sort of like vinegar and oil for a salad). I needed protein, complex carbs, some fat (olive oil) and nothing to feed spirochetes.
Now I am ready to talk about grapefruit extract. This stuff is the industrial grade. To prevent from becoming sensitive to it (it is very strong), this is what I had to do. One drop on a spoon (you must start at one drop, more is NOT better). Put it in your mouth and do not swallow. With the drop in your mouth, take some tea (or some non-sweet drink). Mix the grapefruit extract with the tea in your mouth and do not swallow until you think that it is as mixed up as much as you can get it. Then chase it down with two or three swallows of tea. I forgot to tell that I only do this in the middle of a meal. Do the one drop for: (first, once a day, then after two weeks, go to twice a day for two weeks), before going to two drops (etc). Always take baby steps with this stuff. If you jump past this process, you will become sensitive like I did. After I became sensitive, I had to wait a month and start at one drop all over again. (yes) I jumped past this process and was very sorry going to 10 drops over the coarse of 2 months. Grapefruit extract will make a lot of difference on a persons recovery. It is worth the effort because it is mandatory for recovery to break into the cysts the spirochetes hide in (their safety fall-out shelter). This is not my name and the email is temporary.
This sounds exactly like my 12 year old son. It’s been miserable. He’s missed 5 months of school and counting. Have you found anything to help. Mine has recently gone off antibiotics, crashed, and now isn’t tolerating them well. We’re trying Banderol, Samento, Pinella and Parsley extract. Feeling desperate after 9 months of antibiotics.